Friday, October 24, 2008

EWTN: "McCain is Not Pro-Life"


EWTN clearly has a conservative tilt. So it is quite remarkable that they firmly assert that John McCain is not pro-life. See it for yourselves.



EWTN "on abortion John McCain's position is not consistent with Catholic teaching"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YTFJPir9BM

Terence P. Jeffrey, Editor in Chief, CNS News Service, interviewed on EWTN:
"On abortion John McCain's view is not consistent with Catholic teaching."
A lot of McCain for President Catholics are in some sort of denial.

38 comments:

shiloh said...

OOPS!

take care, blessings

Therese said...

I don't think you would find any Catholic that believes John McCain is in line with Catholic teaching but I think he is closer to it that Obama. He is definitely the lesser of two evils.

Kurt said...

Therese, you may have a point. But once its clear that McCain's position on abortion criminalization is only marginally better than Obama's, it invites a discussion of the ability to protect unborn through policies in addition to criminalization as well as the many other serious Catholic public policy concerns.

Rustler45 said...

FROM AD MAJOREM:

Friday, October 24, 2008

U.S. Catholic Bishop Rene H. Gracida Releases Radio Ad Stating no Catholic can Vote for Barack Obama in Good Conscience

MEDIA ADVISORY, October 24 /Christian Newswire/ -- Today - perhaps in an eleventh hour answer to prayer for the unborn - Bishop Rene H. Gracida has released a stunning radio ad concerning Catholics voting for Barack Obama. His ad is recorded in English and Spanish. Bishop Gracida boldly states:

"This is Bishop Rene H. Gracida, reminding all Catholics that they must vote in this election with an informed conscience. A Catholic cannot be said to have voted in this election with a good conscience if they have voted for a pro-abortion candidate. Barack Hussein Obama is a pro-abortion candidate."

Therese said...

Therese, you may have a point. But once its clear that McCain's position on abortion criminalization is only marginally better than Obama's, it invites a discussion of the ability to protect unborn through policies in addition to criminalization as well as the many other serious Catholic public policy concerns.

Kurt,

Obamas position is not marginally worse, it is much worse. Go and read the FOCA. It is a horrible horrible law that will mean no State can have any laws against abortion. Partial Birth Abortion will be allowed. A teenager will be able to have an abortion without her parents knowledge. I really encourage you to really look at Obama's laws that he has promised to pass and what he has said about a womens fundamental right. This is not a womens right. It is cold blooded murder. My son wrote an essay against abortion and I have put it on my blog Aussie Coffee Shop. Go and read it and think about why you are still able to vote for Obama who wasn't willing to give basic human rights to a baby in the womb or a baby just born alive from a botch abortion.

Florentius said...

Hey, have you heard this one yet?

Bishop Rene H. Gracida's Obama Ad

Anonymous said...

Obama is not Pro-life! He is the most liberal senator on abortion and would not vote for the Born Alive Infant Protection Act! Obama said that he did not want to put an additional burden on the women's right to abortion and that he did not want his daughters to be punished with a baby! Please open your heart to Christ to see the truth about how dangerous Obama is to the Pro-life movement!

Dan said...

Before Pope Benedict came to America to celebrate Mass in New York and Washington, it was revealed that as a young boy in Germany he had had a cousin with Down Syndrome. One day a Nazi doctor came and claimed his cousin for the Third Reich. Taken to be “cared for” at the “hospital” young Karl Ratzinger never saw his cousin again: one of the host of “useless eaters” marked for extermination by that brutal regime.

My wife and I operate St. Joseph’s House, a daycare and respite care home for handicapped children. As it happened one of the children we care for, a wheelchair bound young lady, was chosen along with three other handicapped folks to carry the gifts up to the altar before the consecration at the Mass at Nationals Stadium in Washington D.C. on April 17, 2008. One of these was James, a 30ish man who works in the Officer’s Club at Andrews AFB. James has Down Syndrome. He was chosen to carry the large host which would become the Body of Christ lifted up before the assembled. As James with great ceremony advanced toward the Pope, his native enthusi­asm overcame his reserve and he started to run. Simultaneously the Holy Father leapt from his chair and walked towards James with his arms out­stretched. We have a picture of this moment which I cannot look at without tearing up. What did he see as he gazed so lovingly at James? I believe he saw his cousin. I believe he saw the face of Jesus. And I believe that his great prayer as he elevated that host on that impossibly beautiful day was “As long as you did to these the least of my brethren, you did it to Me.”

The next day April 18th, a boy was born to of all people, the Gover­nor of Alaska. They named him Trig.

Kurt said...

Therese--

You have one candidate who is pro-woman's choice and another who is pro-state's choice. Neither recognizes a fundemental right to life for the unborn.

Now, can you defend John McCain's position on Iraq?

Anonymous said...

Kurt -

You couldn't be more wrong.

To All -

I can't believe this web site even exists.

Katherine said...

Dan,

That was a lovely story. I was there too when the Holy Father offered Mass. It was wonderful to be there and partake in the Eucharist with him.

The triumph of the right wing was a dark day in German history. Let us always strive to keep our democracy and Constitution.

Anonymous said...

You discredit yourself, with your immediate incorrect statement. Raymond begins by clearly stating that the CHURCH is neither, nor should be titled as "whatever" conservative or ...the Church, is God's Wisdom bridged to humanity. YOU may go with God or against. He loves your freewill so very much, you GET to CHOSE!
...ONE party believes in developing an industry to grow embryos for their parts in stem cell research. One O party does grand scale chosing on their OWN merits and MONIES that cannot actually be accounted for! LEAVE EWTN off your list to crack at... God is watching. For your OWN sake... chose with God's LIFE giving will.

Anonymous said...

Ideally a candidate would be pro-life and support programs that help impoverished women with "unwanted" pregnancies.

People in this argument seem to forget the basics of the Constitution on how our government works. I learned this stuff in the 3rd and again the 12th grades. Anyone remember checks and balances?

As far as logistics of Congress goes, you aren't going to have enough pro-life politicians in the House & Senate to pass an amendment banning abortion. 2/3 Majority Vote (67 votes in the Senate, not sure how many in the House) - it's not something a VP can break a tie on in the Senate. He/she cannot cast vote number 67. It also needs to be ratified by 3/4 of the states. That's unlikely to happen as well. The best that the pro-life movement can hope for is majority legislation that overturns Roe v. Wade and leaves the choice up to states. At this point, you're still only going to have an insignificant portion of the states banning abortion. And even in these states, a woman is likely to have a neighboring state that is pro-choice, whereby she can cross state borders and terminate the pregnancy.

And then there's always the possibility that the Supreme Court could rule such legislation unconstitutional if a case got appealed and appealed all the way up through the court system. And as far as THAT goes, you're unlikely to have the necessary votes in both House and Senate to support the appointment of conservative judges.

Under these REALISTIC circumstances, the only easy way to reduce the number of abortions is to elect President, Senators and Congressmen/Congresswomen that would advocate the educational and social programs that have been proven effective in limiting "unwanted" pregnancies, uplifting expectant mothers in bad circumstances and fostering adoption programs.

Supposedly, our younger generations are more pro-life than they have been in the past. Give them time and abortions will be likely be outlawed, AND the social programs will be there to support mothers in situations where their child would have been aborted.

God bless!

Rustler45 said...

Ya know Katherine if you lay off the cheap rot gut whiskey for a couple of weeks you'd see that you don't need to delete my posts and that I'm an OK guy.

Katherine said...

Rustler --

Its just half a glass of Jim Beam before supper. Its good for the circulation.

Kate

Rustler45 said...

KATHERINE: "Its just half a glass of Jim Beam before supper. Its good for the circulation."

Yeah, I have heard that one before.

Rustler45 said...

Kurt, you are a total lamebrain. Your comments are nothing but assinine and indicate that you keep your head in a safe place. Safe from fresh air and sunlight.

You're definitely a case of "open your mouth and prove the fool."

You should just SHUT UP!

Rustler45 said...

FROM AD MAJOREM:

Friday, October 24, 2008

U.S. Catholic Bishop Rene H. Gracida Releases Radio Ad Stating no Catholic can Vote for Barack Obama in Good Conscience

MEDIA ADVISORY, October 24 /Christian Newswire/ -- Today -
perhaps in an eleventh hour answer to prayer for the unborn - Bishop Rene H. Gracida has released a stunning radio ad concerning Catholics voting for Barack Obama. His ad is recorded in English and Spanish. Bishop Gracida boldly states:

"This is Bishop Rene H. Gracida, reminding all Catholics that they must vote in this election with an informed conscience. A Catholic cannot be said to have voted in this election with a good conscience if they have voted for a pro-abortion candidate. Barack Hussein Obama is a pro-abortion candidate."

Anonymous said...

Talk about associating with terrorists. The ad is paid for by the terrorist Randall Terry. The retired (and senile) bishop is working with a terrorist.

Michael J said...
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Michael J said...

It is clear that you folks don’t watch ETWN world over. This is just part of story and you on this blog are too lazy to do your own research… well except for some. If you will take the time to go to ETWN.com and World over archive you will find more on the subject that points out that Catholics cannot vote for people like Obama. The comments and stance of both candidates, and it is clear that you don’t want to know what the church has to say.

This will be our last chance if Obama is elected he will select the justices for the Supreme Court. If Obama is elected it is clear that he will appoint justices that are in favor of unrestricted abortions, including late term or partial birth abortion. Those of you who subscribe to or believe that by pursuing efforts to de-polarize the abortion debate and bring Americans of varying ideological backgrounds to the table to find common ground solutions are wrong. There is no middle ground. This is the human rights issue of this time.
If you as a catholic state that abortion is an unspeakable evil, yet you try to say that you can support the candidate (Obama) who supports the extreme view of allowing abortion at any stage of the pregnancy including birth I will submit you logic and your “well formed conscience” is not . I pray that your heart is softened and your eyes are open to this grave illness and that you rethink you view and vote for Obama.

Rustler45 said...

KATHERINE: "Its just half a glass of Jim Beam before supper. Its good for the circulation."

I guess I didn't read that closely enough. "...just a half a glass...." No wonder you're drunk most of the time. You improved your circulation a lot there Kat!

Lisa said...

Obama is a total FRAUD!
Catholics should be ashamed!
Thats ok--VOte for Obama--
On Judgement day--
You will be Judged!
The Bishops have spoken--you have ignored!@

FinishTheRace said...

Let us look at the positions of the candidates:

Obama McCain

Embry.SSR Yes Yes
Abortion Yes No
Partial Birth Yes No
Infanticide Yes No
(botched abortions)
DOMA Favors Opposes

As anyone can see Obama is far less consistent with the Catholic Church teaching on matters of intrinsic evil. Do not be deceived by Obama. McCain is not exactly the perfect candidate either but he is much closer to the Church that Obama.

sean said...

A rather narrow list of Catholic concerns. Youhave cheery picked some conservative causes and left out the many issues the bishops have spoken on that are not in line with the Republican Party.

Therese said...

Such as Sean???????

Rustler45 said...
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Anonymous said...

To Whom it May concern: Please don't tell me to say a Hail Mary before posting when you propogate a candidate who says his first act as President will be to sign the Freedom of Choice Act. If you want a buffet type religion where you get to pick and choose your ideology and moralality I suggest you look into one of the 33,000 Protestant religions. I will be going to Eucharistic Adoration tomorrow, I will pray for you.

Katherine said...

If you want a buffet type religion where you get to pick and choose your ideology and moralality I suggest you look into one of the 33,000 Protestant religions.

Are you saying McCain and Palin have buffet style religions?

sean said...

Such as Sean?

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Anonymous said...

OBAMA IS NOT PRO-LIFE and by signing FOCA (which McCain opposes) will remove all conscience clauses for Catholic doctors, nurses, etc.
Wake up!

Therese said...

nice long list you have there Sean. It has made me realize exactly why you are supporting Obama. Bottom line is to have all these rights trump the right to life is simply selfish. If you vote for Obama because you think the economy will be better or because you will have better health policies then you are looking after yourself and denying a basic human right to thousands and thousands of Americans.

It seems to me that many have become desensitized to abortion and what it does to a baby. If Obama was going to sign a law that declared people in wheel chairs would be put to death, would your list of social rights trump their lives too? I put forward this example because people are so desensitized they don't really consider the baby's right to life when it needs to be equal to those that are born rights. If you believe these social rights trump the right to life you are not voting for the good of all. You are voting for the good of some. That is selfish and is not inline with Catholic teaching.

sean said...

Therese,

First of all, thank you for the admission that your original list of Catholic concerns was lacking. I'm glad I could provide you with a fuller listing, though it is not my list but the Catholic bishops'.

Unlike so many conservatives, I'm not looking for what issue "trumps" another. As Catholics, we are not allowed to disregard even a lesser priority for a greater (just as Christ sought the one lost sheep). We are called, as best we can, to stand for ALL of these concerns. I do not disregard the unborn the way many conservatives disregard the Church's position on peace and economic justice.

You are right that we need to educate the public about the unborn. Neither McCain nor Obama hold that a baby's right to life is equal to the rights of those that are born.

Therese said...

Unlike so many conservatives, I'm not looking for what issue "trumps" another. As Catholics, we are not allowed to disregard even a lesser priority for a greater (just as Christ sought the one lost sheep). We are called, as best we can, to stand for ALL of these concerns. I do not disregard the unborn the way many conservatives disregard the Church's position on peace and economic justice.

Sean,

You didn't answer my question. If Obama was going to sign into law the death sentence for people in wheelchairs, would you still vote for him? He has promised that his first priority as potus is to sign this into law. That is his first priority. The economy and health care are not his priority. The death of infants is.

What good is having perfect health care and a good economy if a group of people are not going to be given the opportunity to be a part of the perfect health care or good economy? This is selfishness at its greatest.

You say you don't disregard the unborn but when you support Obama you do. There is no way you can tell me that supporting Obama is not supporting the death of infants. He has promised to sign into law the FOCA. Have you read this? If not, I urge you too. Remember, this is his first priority

As for your claim that as catholics we are not called to disregard a lesser good for a greater one I disagree. As pointed out the best health care and economy can hardly be good for those that have been killed. Many Bishops and priests have spoken and said we cannot support pro abortion candidates.

McCain hasn't promised to sign any FOCA and he believes that Roe VS. Wade was a bad law. He gives more rights to the unborn that Obama does. While I agree that he is not fully inline with Catholic teaching, he certainly is much closer to it than Obama and therefore the lesser of two evils.

rhonda said...

You need to check out what you post on your web site. I was so upset when I saw this on another website, I called EWTN, the were horrified. Also you might want to check out JohnMcCain.com he is sure alot more prolife than any candidate we have had as long as I can remember(and I am over 50) But you are lying about EWTN, but we will all still pray for you. JESUS AND MARY SAVE SOULS

Anonymous said...

Rhonda --

This is why McCain is losing the Catholic vote and even 1/3 of pro-life voters say they are voting for Obama.

Of course EWTN is horrified. During the primaries, they had their favorites so they presented a statement that McCain was not consistent with Catholic principles to tear him down. Now they are horrified that AN ACTUAL CLIP of theirs is being used in the general election.

Why doesn't EWTN come clean and say that during the primaries, what they broadcast was neither "new reporting" nor "Catholic truth" but political propaganda to be used against McCain in the primary.

How you can call AN ACTUAL VIDEO CLIP a lie only degrades you and your views. Who can trust you Rhonda, when you make statements like that? We have the facts right here. Watch the video clip.

OhioObamaCatholic said...

Good point. EWTN shot itself in the foot in their political gamesmanship. The idea that Rhonda would call it a lie when the actual evidence is right here shows how desparate the Republicans are.

Rustler45 said...

"Assault Weapons Ban: Support legislation to ban assault weapons."

Check this out folks. The USCCB wants to infringe our right to bear arms. Whose side are they on anyway? And of course Obama Catholics second that motion.

Thanks for pointing that out Sean you little weenie lapdog.