Saturday, October 11, 2008

Democratic faithful tour Ohio citing party values

Obama Faith Tour Reaches Ohio

Effort seeks to spread its message of service to people of every faith


Summit County Councilman Frank Comunale wore a Catholics for Obama button and listened intently as [Pro-life former Congressman Tim ]Roemer described Obama as a man who lives out his faith by what he does.

''I'm a person of faith and in the true sense of Catholic social teaching, Barack Obama and Joe Biden resonate with the things that are most sacred to me — protecting and educating children, instilling them with hope and faith and being zealous about protecting them their whole lives,'' Comunale said. ''When he's elected president, we will have the first community organizer in the White House.''

In addition to Roemer, the tour includes conversations with Catholic Pepperdine University professor Doug Kmiec and evangelical leader Don Miller, who spent time at Kenyon College in Gambier; Denison University in Granville; Ohio State University and Ohio Wesleyan University in Delaware on Thursday.

http://www.ohio.com/news/30733684.html

69 comments:

shiloh said...

Ohio is for Obama!

Did I mention OHIO is for OBAMA/BIDEN '08 !!!

take care, blessings

Marie-Elsie said...

Ohiobama!

Tricia said...

As an Ohioan - I'm for Obama!

Anonymous said...

You aren't Catholics of the Roman or Eastern Rite. You are phonies who are sucked up by relativism. And, since you think abortion is ok, then I suggest that your mothers should have made their *choice* with you.

Rustler45 said...

The New Messiah.

Guess what? Ya'll are gonna be Islamic Liberal Catholics. They're already naming a new church right here in town. It's called The First Islamic Catholic Church. It used to be called the First Baptist Church, but a bunch of Black Muslims took it over and renamed it. They said they're going to let everyone come to communion--prostitutes, homos, abortionists, and liberal politicians. They're going to have women "priests" as well.

Rustler45 said...

"Tricia said...
As an Ohioan - I'm for Obama!"

A friend of mine from Pennsylvania says that Ohioan's are mostly all white trash. Your picture confirms that. And your political leanings as well.

FranIAm said...

Did you see this?

Sorry - sort of off-topic, but sort of not!

Marie-Elsie said...

Let he without sins casts the first stone.

The Islamic Liberal Catholic church sounds like a wonderful place to be. It seems that they don't judge and only seek to offer salvation to sinners. What good of having a church if you are preaching only to perfect people.

Churches are made for sinners!

Marie-Elsie said...

Only right wing wackos think Obama is God.

Anonymous said...

I think some of you would be very happy under Islamic Sharia law. If abortion (and under Republicans it is unlikely to lessen anymore than it would under Democrats) than you should hate Israel and love Saudi Arabia and Iran. For sure Muslim countries do not allow abortion. What about Europe? For heaven's sake, don't travel there. Do you buy anything from China or Japan?

Anonymous said...

One person on this blog is exactly the type of person who beats women on the legs if their burka shows their ankles. I doubt he is Catholic.

Rustler45 said...

Anonymous said...
"One person on this blog is exactly the type of person who beats women on the legs if their burka shows their ankles. I doubt he is Catholic."

That's Kurt, but don't worry, he's a harmless sissy. And you're right I don't think he's Catholic either.

Rustler45 said...
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Marie-Elsie said...

Rustler,

I know that you are hoping that when you post a link we don't go and read them. However, I always go to them because I am open minded like that. All of the blogs that you link to that says that Obama is the messiah or Obama is God are to the right of James Dobson.

As far as the Church being for sinners, tell me: When Jesus was preaching about his Father with whom did he associate? You guessed it, the people that society rejected and did not find worthy.

Marie-Elsie said...

On another note I came upon some letters written by some Catholics about being told which party best reflects the teachings of the Church http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/12/opinion/lweb12catholic.html?ref=opinion

It seems that many Catholics are waking up to abortion being held as the boogey man by the right which they pull out every 4 years to make sure we vote for them regardless of their ineptitude and their own moral failures.

Marie-Elsie said...

Here is the original article the voters were responding to
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/05/us/politics/05catholic.html?ref=opinion

Anonymous said...

marie-elsie thinks she is open minded??? that's a good one!

Marie-Elsie said...

Anon,

I won't even answer your post. No wonder you support McCain. You don't even have the guts to place a name next to your post.

Tricia said...

Thanks for the cheap shots, rustler45. And you can name call all you want. I notice your photo isn't up - I don't hide. I'm proud to be an Ohioan. And, your angry because you're losing.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! White trash says what?

Tricia said...

Oh, let me continue to smack down your uneducated, name calling posts...(I have TWO bachelors and ONE masters degree - and I'm from Ohio and voting for BARACK!) Listen carefully,

So……PRO-LIFE, right? At least 500,000 Iraqis have been killed during the war in Iraq. Perhaps as many as 4,000,000 Iraqis are now homeless as a result of the war. The infrastructure of the country has been destroyed. Is this pro-life? Be honest in your so-called God-inspired pronouncements, or, better yet, why not keep your rather biased (religiously-bloated) opinions to yourself!

Also, I have had statements made to me such as “come out from among them: or “you can’t be like Christ and be a Democrat”. I realize than many Godly pastors and Bible teachers with good intentions and true sincerity have held ferociously to their beliefs about Democrats for years. Some have pounded the pulpit claiming that abortions in the United States started through actions by the Democrat Party. This offends me greatly because it is simply not true. I have never questioned anyone’s own personal Christian relationship because of where they worship or their political leanings. Now, for Democrats like myself who are also Catholics, it is time to set the record straight.

A 1973 Supreme Court decision, Roe V. Wade, legalized abortion by a 7-2 vote. Six of the seven Justices in the majority were Republican appointees. The only Democrat appointee, Byron White, voted against Roe V. Wade.

In fact, in every year since 1969, the United States Supreme Court has been controlled by a majority of Republican-appointed judges. There has not been a Democrat-appointed Chief Justice since 1953.

Currently, there are seven Republican appointees and two nominated by Democrats. Obviously, If the Republican majority has wanted to overturn Roe V. Wade at any time since 1973, the had the votes to do so. Why haven’t they?

In 2003, the United States Supreme Court in Lawrence V. Texas overturned a Texas law against sodomy. Once again, in the 6-3 decision, four Republicans voted to overturn the law.

Recently, the California Supreme Court overturned the State’s ban on same sex marriage. Six of the seven California judges were elected Republicans.

From 2000-2006, Republicans controlled both houses of Congress and the Presidency. In 2006, the FDA approved an “over the counter” abortion drug known as “Plan B”. The head of the FDA serves at the pleasure of President Bush.

My point is clear. For religious leaders to continue to blame Democrats for Republican actions is wrong.


Discuss...

Tricia said...

Photo changed for Rustler to show off my white trashness :)

Rustler45 said...

TRICIA: "My point is clear. For religious leaders to continue to blame Democrats for Republican actions is wrong."

The problem is liberalism. Fr. Hardon says that we are a Marxist country. He's right.

Rustler45 said...

TRICIA: "Thanks for the cheap shots, rustler45. And you can name call all you want. I notice your photo isn't up - I don't hide. I'm proud to be an Ohioan. And, your angry because you're losing."

You're welcome. Will you buy me a beer now?

Kathy said...

Marie-Elsie,

I can GUARANTEE you that every pro-life person I know does not pull the issue out every four years to use to get their candidates elected. Every one of them regularly participates in Eucharistic Adoration, hold vigils at Planned Parenthood, run fundraisers for woman in troubled pregnancies, etc. etc.


As far as Jesus eating with prostitutes, tax collectors, etc etc.,yes he did. What you seem to forget is that Jesus would always tell them to sin no more. There was always the expectation that they were called to change their lives. ALL SINNERS are welcome in the Catholic Church. BUT they are expected to take on Christ and change their lives NOT continue along the same path. Was Jesus judging them when he told them to go and sin no more???

espliego said...

"It seems that many Catholics are waking up to abortion being held as the boogey man by the right which they pull out every 4 years to make sure we vote for them."

That's right.

And remember that the abortion tragedy is based on the law, on your Congress, and ultimately on your citizenry, NOT on the president of the US.

CatholicsForDemocracy said...

Triscia,

"Thanks for the cheap shots, rustler45. And you can name call all you want. I notice your photo isn't up - I don't hide. I'm proud to be an Ohioan. And, your angry because you're losing."

Notice how it's always those hiding themselves on the net who feel free to say the most offensive things to people?

BTW... Rustler isn't just angry because his team is losing. He's angry because anger, sarcasm and being overall anti-social is all he's got to offer.

CatholicsForDemocracy said...

Follow-up on "all he's got to offer." Kinda reminds you of John McCain, doesn't it?

Kurt said...

Speaking in Johnstown, Pennsylvania, Sarah Palin attacked Obama for saying that he wouldn’t want one of his daughters to have an unwanted pregnancy.

SHE IS NUTS!!!!!

Marie-Elsie said...

Thanks Kathy for making my point about the Church being for Sinners

Marie-Elsie said...

In other news 106-year nun will vote for Obama

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7665925.stm

Rustler45 said...

DEMO SAID: "BTW... Rustler isn't just angry because his team is losing. He's angry because anger, sarcasm and being overall anti-social is all he's got to offer."

And this is all you have to offer Demo. More accusations of hate and anger. And considering the lifestyle you have told us you live, why should anyone be concerned about anything you have to say.

BTW my team is the Catholic Church. Is it losing?

CatholicsForDemocracy said...

"DEMO SAID: 'BTW... Rustler isn't just angry because his team is losing. He's angry because anger, sarcasm and being overall anti-social is all he's got to offer.'

"And this is all you have to offer Demo. More accusations of hate and anger. And considering the lifestyle you have told us you live, why should anyone be concerned about anything you have to say."

Oh wow. Attacking my 'lifestyle', as if you know what my 'lifestyle' is. No substance, Rustler?

Rustler45 said...

Backlash to Obama officials squelching political speech.

Obama is so not the savior the media make him out to be. Check out the link above to get to read the rest of the story begun below from WorldNetDaily:
Following legal threats by Missouri state law-enforcement officials supporting BarackObama against presidential campaign ads that appeared to be false or misleading, Gov. Matt Blunt today likened the intimidation to "police state tactics."

Rustler45 said...

DEMO SAID: "Oh wow. Attacking my 'lifestyle', as if you know what my 'lifestyle' is."

So now you're denying your admission that you are a homosexual?

CatholicsForDemocracy said...

"So now you're denying your admission that you are a homosexual?"

I did not deny anything having to do with me as a person. I asserted you have no idea what my 'lifestyle' is.

Marie-Elsie said...

Worldnetdaily=another right wing wacko site.

Thom said...

Hey, I'm in Ohio. :-)

kathy said...

Marie-Elsie,

Did you deliberately miss my point? Yes, sinners.....sinners who are called to change their sinful behavior.

Marie-Elsie said...

Hi Kathy,

I did not miss your point being that we have to outreach to sinners in order to convert them to seeing that Jesus is the way. I got it.

However, do you think that you will reach many sinners when you look down on them or treat them like criminals. Don't you think that people who have abortions suffer enough along with their friends and families for their act.

I have watched a person close to me have an abortion despite my pleas to her to keep the baby, despite my assurances that I will adopt or support the baby and take care of it if only she went fullterm. She still had the abortion. I tried to understand her thought process but I was not able to dissuade her.

Am I to repudiate that person or should I be there for that person at her hour of needs. The last thing she needed to hear from me was how unworthy she was for her act. She went on to have more children and is now a very devout Catholic. Do you think that she would have had I or everyone else treated her like a pariah when all she needed after her act was forgiveness and support.

Do any of you for which abortion is the only thing that matters ever even met on a personal level someone who had an abortion. When you do, you then can begin to understand that criminalizing abortion will not eliminate it. It never did. Coming up with programs that educate and thus prevent unwanted pregnancies will.

Kathy said...

Marie-Elsie,

You sound like one of the most self-righteous prigs I have ever read. Who in the world ever said anything about looking down on someone who had an abortion? I have NEVER said anything about criminalizing the woman. You constantly make up stories about what people have said in order to make your point. Not logical, Elsie.

Sean1 said...

Kathy,

How can you be so understanding towards women who kill their babies yet full of venom towards public officials that want to use social rather than legal means to promote life? How can you say abortion is murder (a criminal act) yet say you do not want to criminalize women who kill their babies?

I think you past posts contradict what you are asserting now, but rather than search through them, let's start this discussion from a clean slate. Do you have a response?

Kurt said...

Hey guys, I leave for Ohio tomorrow to work for the Obama campaign until Election Day. Email me if there are any words of wisdom you have for me about Ohio!

Kathy said...

Actually, Sean, I am MIRRORING the Catholic Church's position toward a woman who has an abortion. Maybe you should familiarize yourself with it.

Kathy said...

Kurt,

My words of wisdom for your work in Ohio are NOT to register a person to vote more than once. The heat is on! You might get caught!

Sean1 said...

Actually, Sean, I am MIRRORING the Catholic Church's position toward a woman who has an abortion. Maybe you should familiarize yourself with it.

I am familiar with it. We should be understanding, kind, pastoral with women who have abortions. But you seem incapable of defending the other half of it -- why such kindness towards those directly involved in the act of abortion but so much venom towards those indirectly connected? Why is Barack Obama called a baby murderer but we are restrained by using that language (or law)towards women who abort?

sean1 said...

P.S. -- kathy, I'm not trying to bait you. I really would like a serious answer. I'm only leaning towards Obama and would like more information before I vote.

Kathy said...

Sean,

Roe V Wade was forced down our throats by a Supreme Court MAKING law. That is not the job of the court. Laws are made by the legislature, as I am sure you know. Most Americans did not agree with this law and felt that the Court had overstepped its bounds. This was what really amounted to an edict forced upon a people that didn't want it. Most people at that time looked upon abortion as murder. Many still do.
This issue was the rallying cry for radical feminists at the time and it remains so today. The Democratic party picked up this issue, the support for "choice" and have made it part of their party's platform since that time. Obama just gave a speech in Chicago the other day stressing his total support for Roe. He has spoken repeatedly in front of Planned Parenthood groups and stressed his absolute committment to this "choice." You asked why I have so much venom for politicians that say they want to change the country socially and that will bring an end to abortion. If Obama wants to only do that then why does he continue to speak out on support of Roe v Wade? Why does he say he wants to pass the Freedom of Choice Act? Sean, please, can you not see that he is talking out of both sides of his mouth? There are so many social programs on the books to already help pregnant women in trouble financially, emotionally, etc. I am involved with one such program here in chicago. It must be dealt with legally because, as long as Roe v Wade is law and Obama wants to push it even further into the Freedom of Choice Act, abortion will NEVER end. I am not sayng for one minute that McCain is the answer to our prayers. BUT please, Sean, read everything you can about Obama and his radical support for all things abortion before you make your decision.

Rustler45 said...

"When Jesus was preaching about his Father with whom did he associate? You guessed it, the people that society rejected and did not find worthy."

He came to heal the sinners not hang out with liberal idiots.

sean1 said...

kathy,

That is helpful and I appreciate it. Now can you write something about health insurance? That is the issue I'm trying to get an understanding of now.

sean1 said...

kathy --

Specifically, John McCain's views and proposal on health insurance.

Kathy said...

Sean,

NOW why do I feel like I am being set up? I just naively poured my heart out and I think I was made a fool of. I think I trust Rustler's take on it.

sean1 said...

kathy--

You have contributed your time by making many posts here. i don't see why a discussion of McCain's health insurance plan is out of bounds.

Rustler45 said...

SEAN THE LITTLE WEENIE DOG SAID (in a whiney voice): "i don't see why a discussion of McCain's health insurance plan is out of bounds."

Hey asshole nobody gives a shit. You're an idiot. You're problem is "you don't see." You're a nitwit and your parents are ashamed to admit they know you. Now buzz off back to the dung you have been eating.

shiloh said...

Over (50) posts on this topic and Marist has Obama ahead by 4 pts. in Ohio which means it's time for SCRIPT OHIO !!!

OK, let's throw caution to the wind and play QUAD SCRIPT OHIO !!!

carry on ...

take care, blessings

Rustler45 said...

MARIE-ELSIE SAID: "...criminalizing abortion will not eliminate it."

Marie, if we arrest and prosecute the doctors, we will. And we don't need to give them much comfort nor compassion. A long, long jail sentence will do them just fine. They can contemplate their sin at leisure. Don't tell me that they are not cold blooded killers.

Mattheus Mei said...

For once I agree with Rustler, if Roe-V.-Wade is overturned and abortion is made illegal then punish those inovlved.

if you're going to punish the doctors though don't forget to throw the mothers in jail too!

It's time women stopped getting a pass on this issue.

Rustler45 said...

"...if you're going to punish the doctors though don't forget to throw the mothers in jail too!"

And guess what? Unrepentant, they go to Hell for eternity.

CatholicsForDemocracy said...

"And guess what? Unrepentant, they go to Hell for eternity."

Catechism of the Catholic Church:
"1857 For a sin to be mortal, three conditions must together be met: 'Mortal sin is sin whose object is grave matter and which is also committed with full knowledge and deliberate consent.'"


Since you're not in a position, Rustler, to know whether the latter two conditions are met, you're hardly in a position to consign anyone to hell.

Rose said...

On abortion: abortion has always been with us and will always be with us whether legal or illegal. The goal for any caring person is to greatly reduce the number. Education and outreach including free child care facilities, adoption counseling, and free access to birth contol will all mitigate against abortion. By the way, recent statistics indicate that the largest group of women who have abortions are women who already have a child or children. Will Rustler throw these women in jail? Who will look after their children? Will the father who demanded his conjugal rights and made the woman pregnant also go to jail?

Rustler45 said...

DEMO GENIUS SAID: "...you're hardly in a position to consign anyone to hell."

Go to Hell dumass.

Rustler45 said...

ROSE ANOTHER GENIUS SAID: "...abortion has always been with us and will always be with us whether legal or illegal."

You idiot, who cares what Baptists think?

That's about the most moronic statement ANYONE in this blog has ever said. You even beat out Shylow, Sean, and DemoCatholic all at the same time.

Rustler45 said...

I just can't get over this term "Democratic faithful."

That's kind of like saying honest thieves or virgin prostitutes.

Rustler45 said...

"Will the father who demanded his conjugal rights and made the woman pregnant also go to jail?"

I can't get over all the stupid things you said in one short post. "Demanded his conjugal rights?" Really? You keep forgetting that there's a such thing as "consenual sex?" Of course no woman would ever agree to such a thing. Women never demand conjugal "rights," do they? Do you have sexual hangups Rose?

I have never seen so much hatred and anger.

Rose, if a woman with children robs a bank, should they let her off because she has children at home?

It's beginning to look like a pro-abortion blog in here.

Big surprise!

Rustler45 said...

A BLITHERING IDIOT NAMED ROSE SAID: "Education and outreach including free child care facilities, adoption counseling, and free access to birth contol will all mitigate against abortion."

You lying Baptist. You are making the pro-Obama/abortion nutbags in here look like conservatives.

You are about the stupidest......

There just aren't words, so, as King Carlos of Spain said to Chavez of Venezuela, "SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP."

Hey Katherine, is this ignoramus dope representative of all pro-Obama Democrats?

Mary said...

To all of you out there for Obama,be happy and praise the Lord for you have the right to vote for him because your Mother said yes to life.

Mary said...

Having the right to vote for whom ever you wished including Obama who is clearly not on the side of life,started with your God given rights in your Mothers womb.

Rose said...

It strikes me that Archbishop Chaput is not in line with the rest of the Catholic bishops on Obama. I think I know why! Although it is not a post one can actually run for, Archbishop Chaput is gunning up for Cardinal.

Anonymous said...

I was searching for more information on the gravity of the abortion topic. The Bishops of the Diocese of Dallas and Fort Worth published and signed a joint letter to help clarify the points on forming consciences. On the topic of other intrinsic evils outweighing abortion they wrote:

“…there are no “truly grave moral” or “proportionate” reasons, singularly or combined, that could outweigh the millions of innocent human lives that are directly killed by legal abortion each year.”

You may read the entire letter at: http://www.cathdal.org/img/Flash/EngFarrellVann.pdf

It seems to reaffirm the quote above.

Katherine said...

Other bishops have made different commentaries. But the Texas bishops are correct that a million abortions a year is a very grave matter. That same comment as made in 2000 and 2004. Yet history has proven that electing a Republican president is not the same has stopping a million abortions.

We now know that those who claimed in 2000 and 2004 Catholics must vote Republican to stop a million abortions a year were gravely wrong. If, contrary to the evidence of history, an individual beleives voting Republican in 2008 = stopping a million abortions, they should follow their conscience and judgement. But that would be private judgement and a very debatable one.