Mark Linton here.
I head up our National Catholic outreach efforts for Senator Obama on the campaign. We've enjoyed great success in mobilizing thousands of Catholics and people of all faiths because of your phenomenal help and because of Senator Obama's unifying message of hope and change.
On this week of the 4th of July I would like to enlist your help in declaring our independence from smears against Barack Obama.
One charge leveled by partisan operatives who seek to divide voters is the disgraceful smear that Senator Obama, a loving father of two beautiful daughters, supports "infanticide." That is an absolutely false and shameful claim based on distortions of Senator Obama's voting record.
We're asking that wherever you see these smears on the internet, please push back respectfully but vigorously.
See the responses below, refuting point by point the smears of blogger Deal Hudson. I am also including the relevant portions of a thoughtful interview Senator Obama recently gave to Relevant Magazine. He discusses his views on abortion and unambiguously refutes the "infanticide" charge.
http://www.relevantmagazine.com/life_article.php?id=7591
Strang: Based on emails we received, another issue of deep importance to our readers is a candidate's stance on abortion. We largely know your platform, but there seems to be some real confusion about your position on third-trimester and partial-birth abortions. Can you clarify your stance for us?
Obama: I absolutely can, so please don't believe the emails. I have repeatedly said that I think it's entirely appropriate for states to restrict or even prohibit late-term abortions as long as there is a strict, well-defined exception for the health of the mother. Now, I don't think that mental distress†qualifies as the health of the mother. I think it has to be a serious physical issue that arises in pregnancy, where there are real, significant problems to the mother carrying that child to term. Otherwise, as long as there is such a medical exception in place, I think we can prohibit late-term abortions. The other email rumor that’s been floating around is that somehow I’m unwilling to see doctors offer life-saving care to children who were born as a result of an induced abortion. That’s just false. There was a bill that came up in Illinois that was called the “Born Alive†bill that purported to require life-saving treatment to such infants. And I did vote against that bill. The reason was that there was already a law in place in Illinois that said that you always have to supply life-saving treatment to any infant under any circumstances, and this bill actually was designed to overturn Roe v. Wade, so I didn’t think it was going to pass constitutional muster. Ever since that time, emails have been sent out suggesting that, somehow, I would be in favor of letting an infant die in a hospital because of this particular vote. That’s not a fair characterization, and that’s not an honest characterization. It defies common sense to think that a hospital wouldn't provide life-saving treatment to an infant that was alive and had a chance of survival. Strang: You’ve said you’re personally against abortion and would like to see a reduction in the number of abortions under your administration. So, as president, how would do you propose accomplishing that?Obama: I think we know that abortions rise when unwanted pregnancies rise. So, if we are continuing what has been a promising trend in the reduction of teen pregnancies, through education and abstinence education giving good information to teenagers. That is important"emphasizing the sacredness of sexual behavior to our children. I think that’s something that we can encourage. I think encouraging adoptions in a significant way. I think the proper role of government. So there are ways that we can make a difference, and those are going to be things I focus on when I am president.â€
Please circulate far and wide and remind people of good faith that religion can be a unifying, not dividing force in our politics.
Thanks,
Mark Linton
National Catholic Outreach Coordinator
Obama for America
http://us.f558.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?To=mlinton@barackobama.com
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McCain Victory chair/ex-Hewlett Packard CEO Carly Fiorina recently said: "There are many health insurance plans that will cover Viagra but won't cover birth control medication. Those women would like a choice"
The reason Obama is linked with voting for infanticide is, in part, due to his discussion of SB 1093 (see page 84)
http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST033001.pdf
Obama said:
"...the testimony during the committee indicated that one of the key concerns was -- is that there was a method of abortion, an induced abortion, where the -- fetus or child as -- as some might describe it, is still temporarily alive outside the womb."
-- temporarily alive. Obama thought it would restrict abortion too much to provide medical care to infants who were born alive, which is why they would be only 'temporarily alive'. Obama thinks 'temporarily alive babies outside their mother womb' should not be defined as persons.
He goes on to say that to require doctors to provide medical care to a baby born alive, would be to define them as a person, and if we define them (babies born alive) as people, it would restrict abortion.
(Same document, page 84). It had nothing to do with restricting abortion and everything to do with helping ALREADY BORN babies. It specifically states that an abortion which may result in an alive baby should not take place unless there is a doctor present who can provide care to the baby, should it live through the abortionists procedure.
and...
facts aren't smears.
The transcripts of speeches made by Obama regarding the BAIPA are readily available on ILGA.gov, as a matter of public record. Read them for yourselves.
Dear Mile Hi, abortion is not a concern for these people. Otherwise they would not be here. These Obama supporters are full-fledged Marxists/Socialists/Liberals. Nothing will sway them from Obama. He is just who they want.
He is unpatriotic, pro-homo everything, pro-socialized medicine, liberal extreme everything and that's who these people are.
Keep talking because others are listening.
Good for you Mama!
YEAH FOR JESSE JACKSON!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHA CHECK THIS OUT!
AND THIS TOO! DEMS FOR MCCAIN
"Where's the beef?"
"Where's the birth certificate?"
And I suppose you all believe those lies?
Vero Possumus!!!!
Vero Possumus,
Now Rustler, there's no need to bring roadkill into this.
Rustler45,
To which propositions espoused by Marx does one have to adhere in order to be, in your view, a Marxist?
Barack Hussein supports affirmative action, socailzed medicine, gay rights, welfare for women with five kids from four different men, and supporting the UN.
And you want to know why Kyle?
You wanting to qualify?
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Unless it's the UN's definition of a person. Obama definitely does not support that!
and Betty, Viagra treats an actual medical condition.
Birth Control CAUSES a medical condition (infertility, however temporary). It causes lots of other health problems (stroke, heart attack, weight gain, to name a few) while it causes healthy body systems to malfunction.
Why would health insurers cover that?
Qualify? Nope. Just curious about how you understand the term, which you use frequently.
Obamessiah:"That is important"emphasizing the sacredness of sexual behavior to our children. I think that's something that we can encourage. I think encouraging adoptions in a significant way. I think the proper role of government."
So the government needs to tell my kids how sacred sex is. The earlier the better. Oh, and according to the Obamessiah it's equally sacred between men and women and men and men and women and women.
...great. Nice Catholic values there.
Not to mention he's still advocating killing the fetal humans who are "unwanted", even if you believed his lip-service tribute to desiring less baby killings.
They're not fetal humans, they are "temporarily alive" humans.
Doesn't Obama telling us about sacred sex violate some kind of church/state separation rule?
Kyle,
You will have to find that one out for yourself. I already asked that question and I have been told to go find out for myself.
Bob,
Link please about where Barack Obama supports all these things that you mentioned.
In my opinion a Barack Obama presidency will be the death of Affirmative Action because now people who are against it will have an excuse to say: "See, we can elect a black president. There is no need to continue with giving equal opportunity to blacks". In the meantime a far more egregious Affirmative Action called Legacy (otherwise known as nepotism or preferential treatment for the rich) will go on and no one will complain.
I think it is time to wake up and stop bringing each other down. That job you lost did not go to the black man. It went overseas to satisfy the greediness of your boss.
Milehi Viagra was originally used for pulmonary hypertension. Its use in keeping a man erect was a side effect that Pfizer capitalized on. (I guess more men suffer from erectile dysfunction than there are people who suffer from pulmonary hypertension). Just like birth control use is to treat a medical condition. Go tell the millions of women taking birth control for hormonal balance that they don't have a medical condition. It is all about manipulating the physiology to achieve results. If you are against that then, you are against taking medications to treat any medical condition.
Kyle, I have taught Marxism for years. What is it you want to know? Do you know what it is?
Do you want to know the 5 points of Marxism-Leninism? Or do you just want an understanding of Dialectical Materialism?
Do you want to know what Lenin did for Marxism/Communism?
Do you want to know why you can't be a socialist and a Catholic at the same time?
Or are you like Marie-Elsie, just wanting to try and trip me up and find something to flap about?
Marie, you didn't really want to know so quit lying about it.
MARIE SAID: Just like birth control use is to treat a medical condition.
RUSTLER: Birth control pills also cause abortions. Even homonal imbalance doesn't justify the PILL.
MILEHIMAMA SAID: Birth Control CAUSES a medical condition (infertility, however temporary). It causes lots of other health problems (stroke, heart attack, weight gain, to name a few) while it causes healthy body systems to malfunction.
RUSTLER: You are correct. MOST doctors will not let their wives take the PILL. It is too devastating to the body.
MARIE WHINES AND WHINES: Go tell the millions of women taking birth control for hormonal balance that they don't have a medical condition.
RUSTLER: Keep whinning Marie.
MARIE HARPS ON: It is all about manipulating the physiology to achieve results. If you are against that then, you are against taking medications to treat any medical condition.
RUSTLER: No just against a pill that kills the infant before it can develop further. Birth control in itself is a sin. You obviously are one who takes the PILL. You should. We don't need you in the gene pool.
Marie,
Birth control pills used for actual medical conditions (such as PCOS, etc.) ARE covered by health insurance.
Did you know they are trying to get RU-486 approved to treat depression? They're calling it "corlux".
1. explain how the US Democratic Party is Marxist along the lines of the first two points you have raised. Please avoid "secret" assumptions about the Democratic Party or accusations of unstated motivations behind policies and proposals of the Democrats.
2. On your third point, clarify what the Church meant by this particlarly in light of the statement of Pius XI to the Archbishop of Westminster and of Tony Bliar's reception into the Catholic Church.
RUSTLER: Birth control pills also cause abortions.
Then John McCain, who is pro-birth control pills, is therefore pro-abortion. And thereby it is a sin to vote for John McCain.
Rustler,
My initial question was quite specific, but permit me to rephrase:
What specific positions would one have to hold for you, Rustler, to consider "Marxist" an apt term to describe the person?
Another question, though you may have already answered it:
Do you think Obama is a Marxist? And if so, why specifically?
Milehi,
Corlux will be approved for depression. It is an entirely different indication and the FDA cannot say no as long as the studies prove that it is safe and effective. They will only put a warning on it saying that it is a category X drug and therefore should not be given to pregnant women.
Also, the only way that insurance covers birth control is if the physician obtained a prior authorization for the patient and many physician do not have the time or the patience to stay on hold for such a long time with the insurance company so the patient ends up paying for the drug themselves.
It is a shame to deny someone care based on YOUR beliefs.
RUSTLER: Birth control pills also cause abortions.
ANONYMOUS IGNORANTLY REPLIED: "Then John McCain, who is pro-birth control pills, is therefore pro-abortion. And thereby it is a sin to vote for John McCain."
HEELLLLLOOOOOOOOO DUNCE! Did you not read what the catechism said about this? Do you not know the Catholic faith well enough to know the answer to this or do you just like popping off and making an azz of yourself?
The teaching is clear. If you have choices that only include pro-abortion people you can vote for the one you deem is going to do the least harm.
Even if John McCain and Obama are the same on abortion (which they are not) you still have so many factors against Obama that a Catholic can not tolerate that McCain is a clear choice over Obama.
Obama is pro-homosexual marriage, and pro-homo adoption. Those are just two of at least a dozen reasons why a Catholic cannot vote for the lying sack.
So, doctors don't want to stay on hold, and somehow that's my fault because I think that the risks of BC don't outweigh the benfits???
And, why not respond to my original comment and the Obama quotes, instead of going off on a tangent about insurance company formularies?
Kurt and Cupp, I am not going to justify myself and write half a chapter without some show of good faith on your part. I can, BTW prove both of you to be Marxists.
I already know what you believe and think.
Now before I explain any further I want to know from you two where morals come from?
If you can't answer that, there is no need for me to waste my time with any further discussion on this issue. If you can answer it then we'll talk.
morals cme from God and are know through revelation and natural reason.
Rustler, all i think you know about me is my intended vote in one election. From that you KNOW I am a Marxist?
Rustler,
As Kurt said, morals come ultimately from God, not in the sense that God arbitrarily decides what is good and evil, but that his creating act flowed from his overflowing love and goodness.
I’m something much more dreadful than a Marxist; I’m a postmodernist and deconstructionist! I am incredulous of meta-narratives, Marxist or otherwise.
Milehi,
Why bother?
Let's wait to see what Kyle says about that.
In the meantime Kurt here are 10 articles that you should read. Tell me after reading them your critique of them.
The articles you need to read.
BTW I know more about you than just the fact that you're supporting Obama. You have posted to me several times in here.
First, Obama is supported by Marxists and Socialists. That means that he votes how they want him to vote. That means he is a Marxist no matter what lies he tells to us to convince us that he is a moderate in the middle road.
Kurt, he is as liberal as a politician can get. He isn't conservative on any issue. He is an extreme leftist. That makes him what?
And you're voting for him if I knew nothing else about you tells me that either you are a Marxist or you are just really stupid.
As I have said before, the communists have a name for you --"Useful Idiot." If you think I made that up, Google it. You'll find it in WickedPedia.
How many issues do you disagree with Obama on?
None, right?
Let's see. I believe in God. Marxists are atheists.
I believe in a parlimentary system of government with free and fair elections. Marxist are totalitarians.
I believe in freedom of the press, freedom of religion, freedom of speech. Do Marxists?
I do not believe in a command economy nor the nationalization of the means of production.
I beleive that Communism represents a new form of oppression, namely 'bureaucratic collectivism.' (I thank Max Shachtman for his development of this understanding though I am not a Shachtmanite.).
I support a strong national defense by the United States as well as the NATO alliance to prevent Communist expansion.
I supported the Berlin Airlift. I support the embargo on Cuba. I oppose Bush's permissive trade deals with China.
I had a high regard for Jay Lovestone in his anti-Comunist years and consider him a true American hero for his work for freedom and against Communism.
Let's wait to see what Kyle says about that.
Says about what?
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