Sunday, July 6, 2008

Obama Speaks of Faith at Methodist Convention


SENATOR BARACK OBAMA:
"In my own life, it's been a journey that began decades ago on the South Side of Chicago, when, working as a community organizer, helping to build struggling neighborhoods, I let Jesus Christ into my life. I learned that my sins could be redeemed and that if I placed my trust in Christ, that he could set me on the path to eternal life when I submitted myself to his will and I dedicated myself to discovering his truth and carrying out his works."


"The challenges we face today -- war and poverty, joblessness and homelessness, violent streets and crumbling schools -- are not simply technical problems in search of a 10-point plan. They are moral problems, rooted in both societal indifference and individual callousness, in the imperfections of man. And so the values we believe in -- empathy and justice and responsibility to ourselves and our neighbors -- these cannot only be expressed in our churches and our synagogues, but in our policies and in our laws."


11 comments:

Rustler45 said...

Hey Marie, the bishop's are refusing to give communion to pro-choice politician's because they say it doesn't fit with Catholic moral theology. Are they religious nutjobs as well?

Rustler45 said...

"Vero Possumus!"

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAaaa!!!

Where IS his birth certificate?

It's in Kenya isn't it?

Hey Blondie, where is it?????

Rustler45 said...

"Obama Speaks of Faith at Methodist Convention"

That is so appropriate that it hurts.

Does anyone here know what Methodists believe?

I bet not.

In the words of Brother Dave Gardener, "They believe in everthang."

Marie-Elsie said...

Did the bishops refuse to give communion to the priests that molested the children. Or priests that they know have women on the side. The priests who by their actions are helping dictators oppressed people. Until they equally dole out the withholding of communion yes they are nutjobs. WWJD or Say.

I know... I blaspheme... I am a communist.. I am a Marxist... A Socialist... I am a blond ( I still get a kick out of that one) blah blah blah.

Marie-Elsie said...

At least Hawaii is a state. Where is the Panama Canal? Whew! I am voting for Obama because he is awesome. For him to be able to fool all these election officials to not only win the nomination but be eligible to even run for the Presidency requires "cohones". Gonads for you Rustler.

Rustler45 said...

MARIE-ELSIE THE COW SAID: "Until they equally dole out the withholding of communion yes they are nutjobs. WWJD or Say."

RUSTLER: And so therefore anyone who has more understanding of the Catholic Faith than you have is a nutjob.

I'm glad we cleared that up.

Marie, it seems to me that you hate the Catholic faith. You look for something to criticize and of course you find it.

Let me explain. Of course it won't do any good, but for the sake of others I will explain.

#1. Abortion is murder. Therefore a politician who promotes abortion is an accomplice to murder. A voter who votes for such a person is also an accomplice to murder.

#2. A politician who commits such a serious sin does so as a public act and is therefore a public sinner. He flaunts his sin before God when he goes to communion with the public watching. The bishop who condones this sacrilege is an accomplice to that sin and public scandal. He must therefore refuse giving communion to such a public sinner. That's what it's about, public sin.

#3. If a homosexual priest molests a young boy he also commits a serious sin although not on the top of the list as is murder of the innocent unborn. He does such in private and not as public policy. He is therefore required to refrain from communion himself. He is not a public sinner and therefore the priest or bishop are not to refuse him communion. He is to do that himself. If on the other hand he begins advocating such practice from the pulpit and advocates politicians who vote for such a thing to be legalized then the bishop should refuse him communion.

#4. The fact is here you don't care so much about the homosexual priests who have perpetrated these vile acts as you care about having the Church approve of abortion.

#5. That makes you an accomplice to abortion and a liar as well. You pretend that you are scandalized by both vile acts while in fact you approve of abortion and that's why you're mad at the Church. Otherwise you'd be angry with a bishop giving communion to abortion politicians.

So there you have it. You are PRO-ABORTION. You are a disgusting vermin that should be thrown into the sea with the millstone around your neck and TWJWD (That's what Jesus would do).

Rustler45 said...

That last post was written by me, a religious nutjob to a PRO-ABORTION Catholic.

All Democrats can simply ignore it. The Ten Commandments don't apply to you.

Ah but here are THE LIBERAL TEN COMMANDMENTS

Marie-Elsie said...

Rustler,

There is a difference in hating the Catholic faith and being disgusted by the hypocrites who professed to know more about the faith than any one else.

See I live in the real world and not the Utopian world in which no one will ever have an abortion. I agree that this is a terrible trauma to a woman and it is especially traumatic for a young child to have to undergo an abortion. However, I don't need to pile on to the sorrow that this person is feeling with my self righteousness. At this point, this person needs love and to be reconciled with God; not be further alienated by my so called superior moral. Ever heard of Project Rachel?

In my humble and maybe ignorant opinion, the best way that I could reduce abortion is to teach sex education and prevention of pregnancy and diseases. Maybe if parents taught their kids about anatomy, physiology and sex many kids would not have been abused by predators who prey on their ignorance.

As far as Jesus putting a millstone around my neck and drowning me in the middle of the sea; I only have this to say to you:

Where in the New Testament did Jesus ever deal with a sinner with the hatred that you spew. Show me where he did not offer compassion and love to the most reviled of people. Even when such sinner was shunned and cast out. Show me?

For your murderous thoughts towards me Rustler, I forgive you as I know my Father forgives you and may God have mercy on you and remove the pain that is causing you to hate so much.

Rustler45 said...

MARIE: There is a difference in hating the Catholic faith and being disgusted by the hypocrites who professed to know more about the faith than any one else.

RUSTLER: There IS a difference. You hate the Catholic faith. You are a hypocrite as well. Do you see my claim that I know more than anyone else? That's not even a point I made. It's one you make to throw the discussion off track and personally attack me. You're disgusted with me? Why is that? I told you the absolute truth. You don't want to hear it. That's not my problem. I have told you. If you were honest in your belief you would have already checked out what I have to say and found that it is indeed the truth.

MARIE: See I live in the real world and not the Utopian world in which no one will ever have an abortion.

RUSLTER: Now that's just great Marie. Another one of those meaningless platitudes that makes you superior to anyone who condemns abortion. You play this little trick with muddying the water by claiming that my pronouncement of abortion's evil is the same as if I condemned a woman who had an abortion. Marie, you're a liberal. Liberals have never lived in the real world. They just say they do to try and grab the moral high ground, but they don't. You're actually in Utopia Marie. That's what liberalism does to a person. Puts them into Utopia.

MARIE: I agree that this is a terrible trauma to a woman and it ...

RUSTLER: No sht Marie, really? A real trauma—for the young child? How about for the baby?

MARIE: However, I don't need to pile on to the sorrow that this person is feeling with my self righteousness.

RUSTLER: NOBODY TOLD YOU TO DO THAT MARIE!!!

MARIE: At this point, this person needs love and to be reconciled.... Ever heard of Project Rachel?

RUSTLER: I am quite familiar with it. What's your point Marie? Why doesn't it move your heart to throw your lot in with Pro-life and follow the Church's teaching in this matter?

MARIE: In my humble and maybe ignorant opinion,

RUSTLER: Marie, you're neither humble nor ignorant. You are a know-it-all wallowing in your pride. You have already said that you are proud of being pro-choice.

MARIE: "…the best way that I could reduce abortion is to teach sex education and prevention of pregnancy and diseases.

RUSTLER: What a line Marie! Remember I told you that you are programmed with the party line and it just pops right out of your mouth every time some argument comes up? Sex ed has already proven that it increases sexual activity and pregnancy. Hence, it increases abortion. You best look at some Pro-life materials for a change instead of the liberal cxrp you've been reading and listening to.

MARIE: Maybe if parents taught their kids about anatomy, physiology and sex many kids would not have been abused by predators who prey on their ignorance.

RUSTLER: Pure baloney. There are other methods for protecting your children.

MARIE: Where in the New Testament did Jesus ever deal with a sinner with the hatred that you spew.

RUSTLER: I am not spewing hatred. I am telling you the facts. I am not talking to a woman who's had an abortion or who is repentant about it. I am talking to you a vile sinner who refuses to follow or believe Church teaching, a woman who advocates abortion, a woman who says that other people have a right to have an abortion.

MARIE: For your murderous thoughts towards me Rustler, I forgive you as I know my Father forgives you and may God have mercy on you and remove the pain that is causing you to hate so much.

RUSTLER: I don't hate you at all Marie. If I didn't care about you I would sit by and say nothing. I am telling you what you are and wanting you to realize the wrong, the harm, and the seriousness of your chosen errors.

If you repent and change your mind I will be glad and neither do I condemn you now or then. Angry with you now yes, but I do not condemn you. Nor do I condemn the woman with an abortion, but I am NOT going to say that it is not a sin. I am not going to say that anyone has a right to it. I will not condemn the bishop who withholds communion from the pro-choice/abortion politicians. They also should have a millstone.

RUSTLER SAID: "…YOU are a disgusting vermin that should be thrown into the sea with the millstone around your neck."

It's true Marie. It's not my judgment. It's a fact. You are in fact an accomplice to murder as long as you do this you deserve what I said. If you change your mind and repent then I will be glad and say differently. For me to soften my words on this is to make light of something excessively serious.

Rustler45 said...

WWJD?

Luke 17:2 "It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones."

Anonymous said...

Maybe if Obama truly put his trust in Jesus, he would turn away from his support for Planned Parenthood.