Saturday, June 21, 2008

Two Testimonials for Obama


Eileen P., A Catholic from Oley, Pennslyvania:
I support Senator Obama for a number of reasons, but mostly because he says that we must "find the common ground". I was able to happily reconcile my support of Obama with my pro-life values after reading his 2nd book, Audacity of Hope. Unlike many of the Democratic leadership, he shows a profound respect for those of us with pro-life values, and he is able to once again "find the common ground", by looking for ways to eliminate the need for abortions, as well as to support all life, whether thru speaking against unnecessary, unjust wars, or by eliminating poverty, or by improving education.


Janet S., A Catholic from South Carolina:

As a person of faith, I support Barack because I trust him. It's as simple as that. I also believe he will treat people fairly and not consider one class of people somehow "better" or "more worthy" than another class of people. All are the same in God's eyes and I think Barack agrees with that outlook.

17 comments:

bob said...

I'm impressed Eileen read a book. I mean, one without comics.

betty said...

Eileen and Janet are on the winning team!!!

Rustler45 said...

Is Obama a Racist???? Is he really Christian???

Read:

From Dreams of My Father: 'I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.'

'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race.'

'There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.'

'It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.'

'I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.'

And FINALLY the Most Damming one of ALL of them!!!

From Audacity of Hope: 'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'

Rustler45 said...

betty said...
Eileen and Janet are on the winning team!!!

Betty Katherine, See the little blinking cow? Stare into his eyes.

Repeat after me, "Eileen and Janet are winning," "Eileen and Janet are winning," ....

Marie-Elsie said...

Rustler,

I guess that someone has successfully forwarded you the email that has been circulating. Here is the response from the Obama campaign about your post; and if you don't believe me go to Snopes.com. Stop spreading rumors and make up your own mind:

A recent email forward allegedly quotes passages from Senator Obama's books related to race and religion. The majority of these are alterations, deliberate manipulations, and in one case, an outright fabrication, of Obama's words.


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SMEAR EMAIL
From Dreams From My Father: 'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mothers race.'


FACT
Nothing close to this quote appears in Dreams from My Father


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SMEAR EMAIL
'There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.'


FACT

FULL QUOTE From Dreams From My Father:

"He offered to start me off at ten thousand dollars the first year, with a two-thousand-dollar travel allowance to buy a car; the salary would go up if things worked out. After he was gone, I took the long way home, along the East River promenade, and tried to figure out what to make of the man. He was smart, I decided. He seemed committed to his work. Still, there was something about him that made me wary. A little too sure of himself, maybe. And white--he'd said himself that that was a problem." [Page 142]


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SMEAR EMAIL
'I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.'


FACT

FULL QUOTE From Dreams From My Father:

"All my life, I had carried a single image of my father, one that I had sometimes rebelled against but had never questioned, one that I had later tried to take as my own. The brilliant scholar, the generous friend, the upstanding leader--my father had been all those things. All those things and more, because except for that one brief visit in Hawaii, he had never been present to foil the image, because I hadn't seen what perhaps most men see at some point in their lives: their father's body shrinking, their father's best hopes dashed, their father's face lined with grief and regret.

"Yes, I'd seen weakness in other men--Gramps and his disappointments, Lolo and his compromise. But these men had become object lessons for me, men I might love but never emulate, white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela. And if later I saw that the black men I knew--Frank or Ray or Will or Rafiq--fell short of such lofty standards; if I had learned to respect these men for the struggles they went through, recognizing them as my own--my father's voice had nevertheless remained untainted, inspiring, rebuking, granting or withholding approval. You do not work hard enough, Barry. You must help in your people's struggle. Wake up, black man!

"Now, as I sat in the glow of a single light bulb, rocking slightly on a hard-backed chair, that image had suddenly vanished. Replaced by...what? A bitter drunk? An abusive husband? A defeated, lonely bureaucrat? To think that all my life I had been wrestling with nothing more than a ghost!" [Page 220]


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SMEAR EMAIL
'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'


FACT

FULL QUOTE From Audacity of Hope:

"Whenever I appear before immigrant audiences, I can count on some good-natured ribbing from my staff after my speech; according to them, my remarks always follow a three-part structure: "I am your friend," "[Fill in the home country] has been a cradle of civilization," and "You embody the American dream." They're right, my message is simple, for what I've come to understand is that my mere presence before these newly minted Americans serves notice that they matter, that they are voters critical to my success and full-fledged citizens deserving of respect.

"Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction." [Page 260-261]

Rustler45 said...

MARIE SAID: I guess that someone has successfully forwarded you the email that has been circulating. Here is the response from the Obama campaign about your post; and if you don't believe me go to Snopes.com.

RUSTLER: Marie, I don't believe and I don't believe Snopes. I have caught them too many times putting a twist on things and outright lying.

They are a socialist/communist leaning website.

That post is not proof of anything.

For example here is from Snopes as the exact quote: "But these men had become object lessons for me, men I might love but never emulate, white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela."

That one quote in itself is damning enough. He emulates communists.

Here's another: "They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

Marie, is that last quote supposed to give us some feelings of assurance? First problem is that he doesn't have a clue about the Japanese internments.

Snope you, Marie.

Marie-Elsie said...

Rustler,

You ask if Obama is a Christian, yet in many of your posts you criticize him for attending Rev. Wright Church. You don't get to have it both ways. He is either a Christian (not the right kind in your view) or he is a muslim. Choose.

In my opinion, Obama is as racist as you. Now ask yourself with all your innuendos are you racist?

bob said...

what America wants to know, is baracK hussein Obama a Black Muslim like Malcolm X or is he a terrorist Muslim like Osama Ben Laden?

Max said...

Eileen P., A Catholic from Oley, Pennslyvania:

I support Senator Obama for a number of reasons, but mostly because he says that we must "find the common ground".


Should be easy to find "common ground" with Obama. He was against NAFTA before he was for it, he was against FISA before he was for it, and he was for public financing of presidential campaigns before he was against it. In a 2004 interview he stated he and Pres. Bush had essentially the same policy on Iraq.

Pick a position, Obama at one time or another probably paid lip service to it. Well unless that positon was defending the unborn.

Max said...

Oops,

Obama is now against FISA, after he was for FISA, for a while anyway, now back to his first position, I think. Stay tuned.

Max said...

Obama on nuclear power,

Reuters: U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said on Friday nuclear power was "not a panacea" for U.S. energy woes but it is worth investigating its further development.

December 30 of last year: “I am not a nuclear energy proponent.”

July 23 of last year:“I actually think we should explore nuclear power as part of the energy mix.”

Next week, who knows? Depends on his poll numbers. But we know where he stands on abortion!

sean said...

max,

I don't think those quotes are quite the slam dunk you seem to think. All are clearly statements made in a wider context (which you don't provide). Obama seems to be saying that he is not a big proponent of nuclear energy as a panacea but it is worth investigating and making part of the mix.

It is refreshing to find a candidate who is not all to one extreme, but sees something like nuclear power as neither a cure-all nor a hobgoblin.

Bob and Rustler, you guys on the other hand are just offensive

Rustler45 said...

sean said...
max, I don't think those quotes are quite the slam dunk you seem to think. All are clearly statements made in a wider context (which you don't provide).

RUSTLER: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAaa!!

You just slam dunked yourself with that dumb statement. In a wider context of course. hahahahahaaaa

SEAN SAID: Obama seems to be saying that he is not a big proponent of nuclear energy as a panacea but it is worth investigating and making part of the mix.

RUSTLER LAUGHS AGAIN: WOW Sean! With verbiage like that Obama needs to hire you as his speech writer!!! LMAO

I am still laughing.

SEAN SAID: It is refreshing to find a candidate who is not all to one extreme, but sees something like nuclear power as neither a cure-all nor a hobgoblin.

RUSTLER LAUGHS SOME MORE!!: I AM SOOOOO REFRESHED! HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAaaa!

Man is that a fence riding statement. Sean, those bob-war barbs must really be tearing some of your flesh in a very tender area!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHaaaaaa!!!

SEAN SAID: Bob and Rustler, you guys on the other hand are just offensive.

RUSTLER REPLIES: I am an equal opportunity offender.

I offend Republicans as well, but it's much more fun offending Democrats. They just don't take it too well!

And they say the dumbest things!

Tell us some more Sean! Gramma is enjoying your stuff too. She is splitting a gut over this last bunch of hoooie you wrote! She said, "Back when I was teaching the First Grade I wore out a dunce hat on a kid just like him!!"

ONCE AGAIN I HAVE TO QUOTE SEAN.

"Bob and Rustler, you guys on the other hand are just offensive."

Thanks so much for the compliment Sean. I don't know about Bob, but I am flattered. When a liberal is offended I know 4 things.

#1. He's paying attention.

#2. He feels the sting of truth.

#3. He's gonna say something else stupid in reply.

#4. He doesn't feel like a dunce, but guess what?

Hey Sean, let's hear it! Stand up and say something brilliant for us. I gotta wonder about a woman that names a little baby "Sean." How could she know he was going to be a liberal?


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Rustler45 said...

Marie-Elsie said...
Rustler,
You ask if Obama is a Christian, yet in many of your posts you criticize him for attending Rev. Wright Church. You don't get to have it both ways. He is either a Christian (not the right kind in your view) or he is a muslim. Choose.

RUSTLER: So far Marie, I don't know what he is and actually I have not asked. I merely have pointed out some conflicting things he has said and done.

You are right about one thing. If he is a Christian he ain't the right kind.

MARIE SAID: In my opinion, Obama is as racist as you.

RUSTLER REPLIES: Well we got him pinned down now as a racist by Marie. Thanks Marie.

MARIE ASKED: Now ask yourself with all your innuendos are you racist?

RUSTLER REPLIES: That's easy Marie. My father raised me to be fair to all races, but your father, on the other hand, raised an idiot.

C'mon Marie, Gramma is waiting to hear what you're gonna say.

Max said...

Sean,

If it was just his position on nuclear power, I might, just might, see your point. My problem is he has so many shifts on so many policies. I'm not talking over the course of years, literally within a couple of days. FISA legislation is the latest example of that.

However, this blog is "Catholics For Obama", and the one issue he has not wavered on or shifted is his support for abortion up to and including the withholding of medical treatment for babies who survived abortions.

A WASHINGTONDC CATHOLIC said...

Obama has no respect for the pro-life movement other than wanting your vote. He has told everyone over and over again - He will do everything to keep the killing of the unborn legal!!!

You can't get any more anti-life than that.

Wake up Eileen and smell the coffee. He is an empty suit.

And this blog name is really an insult to those of use who attempt to practice our faith.

Regina said...

washington dc catholic --

Your post has value. What would help me in my discernment would be hearing your view on the tone and statements of some of the other posters here who are for McCain. Any thoughts?