Thursday, September 22, 2011

CLASS WARFARE

The latest from the Right:

Radical Jewish Feminist found to be promoting class warfare against 'job creators'.  More later today on the Rush Limbaugh show:


"He has brought down rulers from their thrones but has lifted up the humble. He has filled the hungry with good things and sent the rich away empty."   -- Mary

31 comments:

Max said...

Right Katherine, Mary was talking about taxing the rich (according to Obama anyone earning over $200,000) and giving eveyone else Obamacare, after the appropriate 6-7 month wait.

By the way Katherine, how do you think that radical Jewish feminist feels about your party's worshipping at the altar of abortion and homosexuality?

Katherine said...

I think the President's policies are a lot more moderate than the song of the Blessed Mother. Yes, the President doesn't bring the rich and haughty down from their thrones and send them away hungry. He just suggests that they pay a fairer share of their taxes. They still sit on their high thrones and are well fed.

I have no doubt the Blessed Mother is joyful about the idea of health care for all.

Max said...

The top 1% of wage earners pay 30% of the federal taxes. The top 10% pay 70% of federal taxes. The bottom 47% pay no federal taxes.

If you have a family and make under 50,000 you receive more money back in a federal tax refund than you paid in federal taxes.

Liberalism works great until you run out of other peoples money.

Any doubt about how the Blessed Mother feels about your party's position on abortion and homosexuality?

Katherine said...

And the rich get a lot out of government.

Max said...

Sure some rich get a lot out of government. The bigger the government the more benefits to hand out, the more regulations to impose, the more lobbyists needed to influence.

The bottom line is the government is too big, imposes too many regulations, and in order for a business too survive it has to lobby and grease the palms of the politicians who can tax and regulate them out of business at any time.

All that doesn't take away from the fact that the rich, and I am not one of them, pay more than their fair share of taxes. You will not create jobs by penalizing the job creators.

For the last time Katherine, as a practicing Catholic, why won't you address your party's stance on abortion and homoscxuality?

Katherine said...

Al we hear from the Right-Wing is that regulations hurt businesses. Well, these regulations prevent corporatiosn from hurting me.

Business lie, cheat and steal from consumers. They allow workplace injuries. They pollute the air and water.

Its time they were made to behave like an ethical operation.

Max said...

Actually the vast majority of businesses do not lie, cheat and steal from their customers.Not very good for return business.

They allow workplace injuries? Right, they want their workforces on workers comp, suing them, and in general being unproductive.

As for pollution, the old Soviet block countries are still trying to recover from the environmental destruction done through their state-owned businesses.

I wish the federal government was as ethical as the vast majority of all business.

I'm glad to see you are ashamed of your party's position on abortion and homosexuality. Their may be hope for you yet Katherine.

Katherine said...

More "Big Government" going after a small businessman:

A combined civil and criminal legal action against a many-faced Madison locksmith company ended this week with penalties of $35,000 and an order to stop using phony names and stop using underhanded tactics against competitors.

The consent judgment from a Dane County Circuit Court civil lawsuit names Madison Locksmith and its owners, Joshua Burlin, of San Diego, and Shahar Elharar, of Madison. Burlin was convicted in March of two felonies and sentenced to probation in connection with the practices of the business.

A state investigation by the Department of Agriculture, Trade and Consumer Protection followed a Wisconsin State Journal account in 2009 of the business's dirty tricks and misrepresentations.

The two men ran their locksmith business — now closed — most recently at 825 E. Johnson St. but used 15 names and various addresses.

Assistant Attorney General John Greene said the two men will have two years to pay the $35,000 in penalties and costs.


BTW, did you hear about "Big Government" taking our melons away?

Max said...

Dont get you point Kathrine. They broke the law and were prosecuted. Who is against that? Their business is now ruined, as it should be.

BTW the federal government had zip, zero, nada to do with the case.It was handled by the state and local authorities.

Their is not enough time or space for me to list all the federal, state and local elected officials and governmental employees tried and convicted for various crimes last year. Does that mean that all goverment employees are corrupt?

No I didn't hear about that, but I just checked, and I want my melons back! Another reason to vote out Obama!

Max said...

Katherine, every comment I have posted on your blog has been critical of the Obama Administration. Well, I want to congratulate the President for the assassination of Anwar al-Awlaki. He received his just demise.

Obama has expanded the drone attacks and on that I support him 100%.

Katherine said...

Dont get you point Kathrine. They broke the law and were prosecuted. Who is against that?

Those who want to do away with every law and regulation that protects consumers and workers from sleazy, cheating corporations.

Max said...

Name one elected Republican official who wants to do away with every law and regulation imposed on corporations.

You do know millions of Americans are invested in these corporations you detest soo much, through 401ks and company pension plans and dividend payments.

In general Katherine, do you think politicians are more ethical than business executives?

Katherine said...

Name one elected Republican official who wants to do away with every law and regulation imposed on corporations.

Then let;s stop the TeaParty rhetoric against laws and regulations and direct the dicussion to the merits of each law or regulation. That's what I am asking for but never get from the Right Wing.

You do know millions of Americans are invested in these corporations you detest soo much, through 401ks and company pension plans and dividend payments.

Yes, and we have no power over our own holdings. The Right Wing was real big on how labor unions should run their internal affiars. But they scream and howl at any suggestion that corporations be responsible to their owners.

In general Katherine, do you think politicians are more ethical than business executives?

I know I'm cheated far more often by business than by government. My political representatives are always happy to meet with me an hear my concerns. Corporate CEOs never are.

Max said...

Again Katherine name one tea party event a speaker talked about eliminating every law and regulation imposed on corporations.

You certainly do have power over your own holdings you can buy and sell stock in corporations as you wish. If you dislike a corporation sell the stock. Now what if I dont like how government spends my tax dollars and I refuse to pay my taxes?

Name one Republican who said corporations should not be responsible and ethical.

Gee whiz Katherine, I wanted Obama to meet with me and I havent got an answer yet! Of course I dont have spare millions to bundle for his reelection campaign.

Katherine said...

You certainly do have power over your own holdings you can buy and sell stock in corporations as you wish. If you dislike a corporation sell the stock. Now what if I dont like how government spends my tax dollars and I refuse to pay my taxes?

You are right that one can give up their stock and invest somewhere else just like one can give up their American citizenship and go somewher else. I don't think those are just responses.

As a shareholder I should have the same democratic rights I have as a citizen. Shareholders don't.

First you say "The bottom line is the government is too big, imposes too many regulations", then you insist you are not against government regulations. The spin is making me as dizzy as Michele Bachmann.

Max said...

What spin? Government is too big and does impose too many regulations. I'm not againt all regulations. Just like I'm not against all taxes.

The argument is what is just and necessary taxation versus oppresive taxation. Needed regulation versus intrusive and unnecessary regulation. Not really that difficult to comprehend.

I'll take Michelle Bachmann over Barack Obama and his teleprompter any day of the week.

Max said...

BTW Katherine people buy and sell stocks all the time, its not that difficult. We vote with our dollars every day when we decide what brand of consumer goods we want or dont want . Giving up your home, citizenhip, friends and life to move out of the country is just a wee bit more difficult. Thanks for proving my point.

Katherine said...

You keep defending corporate corruption. But I am glad you are finally talking about just and neccesary regulation and taxes. I and every Democrat I know is ready to discuss at any time particular regulations and if they can be improved, modified or eliminated for good reason. But we never get taken up on this offer. All we hear is a blanket opposition to regulation and taxes.

Max said...

Katherine please point out in any of my comments where I defended corporate corruption?

Again name 1 elected Republican representative that wants to eliminate all taxes and regulations. I cant name one, not even Ron Paul who is a Liberatrian.

Max said...

Bank of America is imposing the new fee in anticipation of a $2 billion annual loss brought about by the “Durbin Amendment” — a provision of last year’s Dodd-Frank Wall Street financial reform bill.

Signed into law in July 2010, the measure was intended to protect America from another financial meltdown, but in reality it placed a boatload of new burdens on financial institutions and their customers. The results? Increased risks to the financial system, increased regulations, and in this case, increased costs to anyone who uses a debit card.

Under the Durbin Amendment–named for its backer Senator Dick Durbin (D-IL)–the federal government now limits the amount of money banks can charge merchants when you swipe your debit card, costing them an estimated $6.6 billion per year in revenue.
Enter Bank of America’s new fee. But they’re not alone. Wells Fargo expects to lose $1 billion, prompting it to adopt a $3 fee for debit cards in some areas. JPMorgan Chase is also rolling out new fees, as is Citibank. Smaller banks are getting into the game, too, as the Associated Press reports. Atlanta-based SunTrust recently instituted a $5 debit card fee, while Regions Financial in Birmingham, Alabama, will begin charging a $4 fee next month. In Texas, International Bancshares has announced last week the closure of 55 branches in grocery stores and the loss of 500 jobs.

That is taken from Indepenant Business Journal.

Katherine said...

Katherine please point out in any of my comments where I defended corporate corruption?

You indicated that people should respond to corporate corruption by selling their shares rather than having the power to stop the corruption.

Max said...

Actually Katherine I was responding to your statement that " we have no power over our own holdings".

I have a question for you Katherine, and honestly its not a gotcha question. Im just curious. Which economic system do you think is superior capitalism or socialism?

Katherine said...

Max,

To your second question, the economic system I believe in is Christian Democracy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_democracy ).

On the first point, I take it we are in agrement. Rather than shareholders having power over their own holdings, they simply have the option to sell. This is an example of corporate corruption.

Max said...

Nice try Katherine, sure we are in agreement, capitalism is superior to socialism.

A WASHINGTONDC CATHOLIC said...

Katherine...why are you not railing against the union bosses who may $300,000 or more a year? I mean, they earn their keep off of the backs of the working man and woman. Maybe they only should get $100K per year. Don't you think that would be more fair?

Katherine said...

Union members get to vote on their leader's compensation. If the Republicans would stop fighting against shareholders having the same right for company Bosses, I would be content.

Why are they afraid to allow the shareholders a vote on this?

Max said...

I belong to AFSCME and I have no idea what Gerald W. McEntee makes and we have never voted on any union officials compensation. The union takes my dues and gives part of the money to candidates I dont support. In the past I could write a letter to be mailed, during a brief window of time, and would get $20 back for a poltical rebate. When myself and many of my fellow union members did this AFSCME made it impossible to receive this rebate. AFSCME has never given members a voice in who they endorse. I have zero say in political matters. I have belonged to this union for 28 years.If I gave up my union membership I would still have to pay 80% of the dues.

Please name a union where votes are held on Union Officer Compensation.

Katherine said...

McEntee makes $382,026/year. That would make him one of the worst paid CEOs in most industries.

Salaries are set by the National Convention, held every two years. Convention delegates are elected by the members.

Federal law prevents labor unions from giving dues money to political candidates. Union members may donate to a union PAC, separate from their dues and those funds may be contributed to congressional candidates.

You should go to a union meeting and expose your charm to your co-workers. :)

Max said...

Please, AFSCME makes endorsements, pays for TV ads and provides manpower for the Democrat party. I live in Erie, Pa and union meetings are in Harrisburg, Pa.

I will reserve my charm to try and save lost Catholics from the darkness of the Democrat party. :)

Katherine said...

Max,

Political contributions to federal candidates come not from AFSCME dues money but from the political action committee (PEOPLE -- "Public Employees Organized for Political and Legislative Education.")

I'm sorry your deep intellectual insights are not being shared with your co-workers. It is truly their loss. What if I found someone to pay your bus fare to Harrisburg?

Kathy said...

You make me laugh with your blind support of union bosses. Come to Chicago and look at the corrupt Chicago Teachers Union bosses! As a matter of fact, look at all the union bosses in Chicago. They have taken care of themselves at the expense of the union membership. Stop being so blind! This idea that, if it is union, it must be good is nonsensical!!