tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8009484025319372088.post6476064354274365248..comments2023-10-09T09:36:13.099-04:00Comments on CATHOLICS FOR OBAMA BIDEN: Pope Expected to Welcome Obama at VaticanKatherinehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13687197922675722032noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8009484025319372088.post-42144678434088341072008-12-08T12:36:00.000-05:002008-12-08T12:36:00.000-05:00And the fact they have not been shows where the Po...And the fact they have not been shows where the Pope stands.Kurthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09634267733093456763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8009484025319372088.post-33889364175752301912008-12-08T11:19:00.000-05:002008-12-08T11:19:00.000-05:00''Catholics'' that voted for Obama should be Excom...''Catholics'' that voted for Obama should be Excommunicated.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8009484025319372088.post-38806357090573121122008-11-27T18:49:00.000-05:002008-11-27T18:49:00.000-05:00Shyter whines: "It is a quote from Lord Acton, a f...Shyter whines: "It is a quote from Lord Acton, a favorite of conservative Catholics."<BR/><BR/>Which only proves that that some conservative Catholics are just plain stupid or aren't really conservative. I have never known anyone who quoted it who had any depth of knowledge or wisdom whatsoever.Rustler45https://www.blogger.com/profile/17889162663438444671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8009484025319372088.post-48592462138118351372008-11-26T14:07:00.000-05:002008-11-26T14:07:00.000-05:00Let me rephrase, he's knowledgeable on the hypocri...Let me rephrase, he's <B><I>knowledgeable</I></B> on the hypocrisy of religion ...<BR/><BR/>and of course he stretches the <B><I>truth</I></B> for comedic purposes. <BR/><BR/>take care, blessingsshilohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16490952508600134457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8009484025319372088.post-61297353278564146312008-11-25T21:20:00.000-05:002008-11-25T21:20:00.000-05:00"Maher is an expert on religion, and it goes w/out..."Maher is an expert on religion, and it goes w/out saying comedy is almost totally based on the truth ...."<BR/><BR/>Shiloh,<BR/><BR/>I am a fan of Maher's humor. But I will also count myself among those who do not accept that Maher is any "expert on religion." He is an expert on an image of religion that is popularly and cynically received, and he uses that image to successfully promote his career.<BR/><BR/>But Maher's understanding of religion, I believe, is as superficial and perverted as the understanding of religion possessed among the right-wing cabal who attempted to manipulate our faith to promote their own agenda in the name of religion.CatholicsForDemocracyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10300623613959322701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8009484025319372088.post-22876448336103429412008-11-24T20:26:00.000-05:002008-11-24T20:26:00.000-05:00Get off it, Katherine. You are trying to imply so...Get off it, Katherine. You are trying to imply some sort of endorsement by the Pope. Stop being so disingenuous.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8009484025319372088.post-70226318102246295212008-11-24T18:26:00.000-05:002008-11-24T18:26:00.000-05:00I said a whole Rosary before posting.Excellent.I d...<I>I said a whole Rosary before posting.</I><BR/><BR/>Excellent.<BR/><BR/><I>I don't know why you have a picture of the Pope superimposed with BO. That is very misleading to people viewing your blog.</I><BR/><BR/>Because the topic is the Pope and the President Elect. Most of our other readers understood it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8009484025319372088.post-19379023038105991702008-11-24T17:05:00.000-05:002008-11-24T17:05:00.000-05:00I said a whole Rosary before posting. I don't kno...I said a whole Rosary before posting. I don't know why you have a picture of the Pope superimposed with BO. That is very misleading to people viewing your blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8009484025319372088.post-69546284838828532712008-11-21T20:13:00.000-05:002008-11-21T20:13:00.000-05:00I completely agree with Kurt and shiloh, concernin...I completely agree with Kurt and shiloh, concerning sin and sinners. My world has been illuminated by great works of art created by homosexual men, clearly inspired out of love for God the Father and joy in their faith. I remember a parable about "He who has no sin shall cast the first stone." I think this would apply to the thinking concerning sexual preference.<BR/><BR/>shiloh said "Being baptized at birth is a process void of personal choice, this is why many peeps in their 20's either leave/change their religions. Knowledge/education changes one's perspective on many issues." Yes education is the key to understanding, but I do believe God's love and salvation are gifts he has given to all of us, so baptism at birth to me, simply affirms that. But again let me say, education is the foundation that allows us a more complete understanding of everything. There are certainly some things not even the most brilliant of men or women will never be able to comprehend, however the more we can build on the success and failure of those who came before us, the better off we're gonna be.<BR/><BR/>I think we have seen enough failure for a while, and I’m looking with hope towards the future for the first time in a very long time now.<BR/><BR/>OK, serman over ROFLAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8009484025319372088.post-86845495267784737242008-11-21T12:50:00.000-05:002008-11-21T12:50:00.000-05:00That's one of those fun platitudes that liberals l...<B>That's one of those fun platitudes that liberals love to quote, but it is untrue.</B><BR/><BR/>It is a quote from Lord Acton, a favorite of conservative Catholics.Kurthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09634267733093456763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8009484025319372088.post-44315384415634342422008-11-21T00:24:00.000-05:002008-11-21T00:24:00.000-05:00IDIOT SAID: "Absolute power corrupts absolutely!"T...IDIOT SAID: "Absolute power corrupts absolutely!"<BR/><BR/>That's one of those fun platitudes that liberals love to quote, but it is untrue.<BR/><BR/>Look to history. There have been many kings in history who ruled justly.<BR/><BR/>Here's one for you that is much more accurate.<BR/><BR/>Liberalism is absolute corruption seeking absolute power.Rustler45https://www.blogger.com/profile/17889162663438444671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8009484025319372088.post-49819420670032109792008-11-20T21:01:00.000-05:002008-11-20T21:01:00.000-05:00Ray, have not seen Bill Maher's movie although I d...Ray, have not seen Bill Maher's movie although I do watch HBO's 'Real Time' religiously ;) and I was raised on the Baltimore Catechism. Never claiming to be an expert on religion, I am quite aware of religion's effect pro and con throughout history ...<BR/><BR/>As w/most everything in our society, religion can be used for both good and evil depending on one's agenda.<BR/><BR/>take care, blessingsshilohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16490952508600134457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8009484025319372088.post-47422498901010431902008-11-20T20:22:00.000-05:002008-11-20T20:22:00.000-05:00<>What proportionate reason did you consider...<>What proportionate reason did you consider when voting for Obama?<BR/><BR/>--> I think Kmiec does a good job of explaining it. Then, too, I am prolly more of a "cafeteria Catholic" than him but I don't think that makes me necessary better or worse than him. But I agree, we all got lots of explaining to do to God. And I'm hopin' and trustin' he's mighty merciful.<BR/><BR/>About Laborem Exercens... the way I read it is: Under totalitarian state socialism, man exploits man. Under monopoly corporate capitalism, the reverse is true. I really don't think JP2 was at all opposed to democratic socialism. And he certainly was not anti-union. And as a topper, I'd say without any equivocation, that he viewwed many of Marx's insights in a positive light. Aside from the very serious matters of abortion rights, birth control, and stem cell research, I think he would have gotten along wonderfully with Obama.<BR/><BR/>And you're right, Shiloh. The comparison to the Colt45 guy was unfair to you. I don't think you are at all nasty (whereas I can get pretty caustic at times). So, sorry. But try reading a few encyclicals along with going to Bill M. movies, heh?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8009484025319372088.post-76725000604071583392008-11-20T18:29:00.000-05:002008-11-20T18:29:00.000-05:00Mahler is an expert on religion?Sorry, I don't thi...<B><I>Mahler is an expert on religion?<BR/><BR/>Sorry, I don't think so.<BR/><BR/>Shiloh, I think you are to the Democratic Party what Rustler45 is to the Republican Party.<BR/><BR/>Neither one of you is doing your professed cause any good.<BR/><BR/>If you want to join the church of Mahler since you believe that everything he says is the truth, that is surely your right and prerogative.<BR/><BR/>But if you want to base your theological beliefs upon the perspective of a comedian, don't expect to gain too much traction with your screeds.<BR/>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</I></B><BR/>We disagree on Maher, no biggie.<BR/><BR/>hmm, comparing me to <B><I>Rust,</I></B> someone whose only purpose at this blog is to call me and others names and post nauseating kindergarten nonsense ie an inane, childish troll!<BR/><BR/>Cause, what cause, I only give my views w/no agenda, whereas <B><I>Rust</I></B> is only here to cause trouble as he copies and pastes his nonsense over and over again and Katherine deletes it every time.<BR/><BR/>btw, I'm a liberal independent and <B><I>Rust</I></B> whatever he may be, I would compare him to Coulter, Falwell, Robertson, Malkin etc. whose <B><I>over the top minutia nonsense</I></B> has very limited/diminishing returns ie <B><I>preaching to the choir!</I></B> Poster boys and girls for not voting republican.<BR/><BR/>And posting on the internet, in general, has very little to do w/advancing or diminishing any cause. One must get out in their community to effect <B><I>real change</I></B> for whatever one's <B><I>agenda</I></B> may be.<BR/><BR/>The internet is good for fund raising and little else re: politics. You give posters on the net far too much credit in their ability to change or effect public policy. YouTube, fund raising, mass media yes they have an effect on politics. Individual posters on various blogs, not so much ...<BR/><BR/>The only reason I occasionally reply to <B><I>Rust</I></B> is for my own amusement! ;) As a general rule, getting into a discussion w/an unarmed man serves no useful purpose. Which is why I don't call him childish names like he does to me and others, what would be the point.<BR/><BR/>take care, blessingsshilohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16490952508600134457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8009484025319372088.post-57896760478617549872008-11-20T17:03:00.000-05:002008-11-20T17:03:00.000-05:00Ray Jay, you seem like a reasonable fellow. What ...Ray Jay, you seem like a reasonable fellow. What proportionate reason did you consider when voting for Obama?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8009484025319372088.post-52676346816889773082008-11-20T16:54:00.000-05:002008-11-20T16:54:00.000-05:00RJ, you're doing for the Catholic Church what you'...RJ, you're doing for the Catholic Church what you're claiming Rustler is doing for the Republicans.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8009484025319372088.post-10362105172475470192008-11-20T16:39:00.000-05:002008-11-20T16:39:00.000-05:00Hey Ray Jay: I will read the document you referre...Hey Ray Jay: I will read the document you referred to, Laborem Excercens. Do you think he is promoting socialism in his encyclical?<BR/><BR/>I know you want me to answer to God on your question regarding cafeteria Catholicism. But since you threw it out on the board, I will answer you too. <BR/><BR/>I accept everything that the Catholic Church teaches on matters of faith and morals. It does not mean I don't fail to live up to my end of the bargain. I am a sinner like everyone else.<BR/><BR/>On discipline matters I have some latitude. I strive to follow the Church's teaching if in doubt. <BR/><BR/>Do you accept the Church's teachings or do you pick and choose between the meat and veggies? <BR/><BR/>Hey, you don't need to answer me either but you too should be prepared, be on watch to answer God when your time comes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8009484025319372088.post-90295198053149751232008-11-20T16:27:00.000-05:002008-11-20T16:27:00.000-05:00Mahler is an expert on religion?Sorry, I don't thi...Mahler is an expert on religion?<BR/><BR/>Sorry, I don't think so.<BR/><BR/>Shiloh, I think you are to the Democratic Party what Rustler45 is to the Republican Party.<BR/><BR/>Neither one of you is doing your professed cause any good. <BR/><BR/>If you want to join the church of Mahler since you believe that everything he says is the truth, that is surely your right and prerogative.<BR/><BR/>But if you want to base your theological beliefs upon the perspective of a comedian, don't expect to gain too much traction with your screeds.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8009484025319372088.post-26288321422611227312008-11-20T16:14:00.000-05:002008-11-20T16:14:00.000-05:00Anonymous said... Shiloh, I am responding to yo...<B><I>Anonymous said...<BR/><BR/> Shiloh, I am responding to your comments in no particular order.<BR/><BR/> So you are not really a "Catholic for Obama". What you have described is that you are a "Fallen away Catholic for Obama." Now this makes sense.<BR/><BR/> A person is not born into the Catholic faith. We are all born pagans and become adopted sons of the Father when we are initiated into our Catholic faith at our Baptism.<BR/><BR/>etc. etc.<BR/>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</I></B><BR/>OK, in no particular order and expanding ...<BR/><BR/>I am a Christian who voted for Obama for many reasons, the least of which, unlike evangelicals, is/was religion.<BR/><BR/>Being baptized at birth is a process void of personal choice, this is why many peeps in their 20's either leave/change their religions. Knowledge/education changes one's perspective on many issues.<BR/><BR/>More full disclosure, my mom is Catholic, my dad was Protestant. They were married back in the day, 1944, when the Catholic church frowned on mixed marriages. They had to be married in a small chapel, no official church ceremony, I digress. Anyway, being a good Catholic is not based on church attendance, but how one lives their lives, imo. In that respect my dad was a better Catholic, than many/most Catholics I have come to know.<BR/><BR/>btw, my dad was not political in any way shape or form. Maybe not being political makes that person a better Christian, eh ;)<BR/><BR/>I used to get off the bus every morning and attend mass up until 4th grade, my sister until 8th grade, my mom all the way thru high school, btw, she walked to school, no buses lol, again I digress. Part of the problem of being <B><I>spoon fed</I></B> religion on a daily basis, it tends to become less relevant over time and one can become lazy ie me.<BR/><BR/>It comes down to faith, which is fine, to each his own ie freedom to think. One should not blindly believe any faith, imo.<BR/><BR/>Your comment re: Socialism gave no specifics, so I won't reply other than to reiterate, <B><I>You can interpret the Bible every which way to Sunday!</I></B><BR/><BR/>Try arguing your religion w/Protestants, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Taoists, etc. etc. and see how many converts to Catholicism you get, 'nuf said!<BR/><BR/>I will not argue your <B><I></I>faith</B> per se, but please don't try to tell me you have found <B><I>Nirvana</I></B> w/your religion. <B><I>Original sin</I></B> tells us we all our fallible and hopefully are striving for that <B><I>more perfect union!</I></B> on a daily basis.<BR/><BR/>Repeating ... it's not whether you attend church every wk, <B><I>it's how one leads their life!</I></B> cafeteria Catholics etc. notwithstanding ...<BR/><BR/>take care, blessings<BR/><BR/>p.s. I went to a Jesuit high school, and took a course my Jr. year in Eastern Religions. This I say in favor of Jesuits who obviously weren't threatened by knowledge of <B><I>competing</I></B> religions.shilohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16490952508600134457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8009484025319372088.post-9641053135273765642008-11-20T15:37:00.000-05:002008-11-20T15:37:00.000-05:00ray jay said... shiloh wrote: "You can tak...<B><I>ray jay said...<BR/><BR/> shiloh wrote: "You can take everything that is written in the Bible and interpret it "Every which way to Sunday!"<BR/><BR/> --> Well, you can but that doesn't much get you anywhere, does it? Rather amorphous, jellyfish-like theology, no? And I'd also ask: informed by what and/or whom? Bill Mahler? He can be very funny at times but I don't think he's not exactly informed or erudite in terms of contemporary theological discourse or its historiographical development.<BR/>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</I></B><BR/>Just a few notes re: Maher. His father was Catholic and he and his sister were raised Catholic. He didn't find out his mother was Jewish until he was a teenager. He jokes when he went to confession, he would bring a lawyer w/him. ;) He always wondered why his mom didn't attend church w/their family. His father <B><I>left</I></B> the church because of the church's stance on birth control.<BR/><BR/>Maher is an expert on religion, and it goes w/out saying comedy is almost totally based on the truth ...<BR/><BR/>take care, blessingsshilohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16490952508600134457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8009484025319372088.post-69439682244930419502008-11-20T15:26:00.000-05:002008-11-20T15:26:00.000-05:00Anonymous said... Well, Shiloh, you now find yo...<B><I> Anonymous said...<BR/><BR/> Well, Shiloh, you now find yourself in the majority that voted<BR/> for Obama. Are you going to pause<BR/> and reflect???<BR/>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</I></B><BR/>Yes, also I am going to support <B><I>our</I></B> new president and hopefully he can undo the damage caused by Bush43, the worst president in history!<BR/><BR/><B><I>Absolute power corrupts absolutely!</I></B> as the last (8) years have proved. And now that the dems have <B><I>total control,</I></B> we as a people, must be vigilant.<BR/><BR/>Feel confident the media, which was asleep at the wheel the last (8) years will do their job, hell Obama doesn't take office for another (2) mos. and the media is already dissecting his cabinet picks ie his every move.<BR/><BR/>The 24/7 news age and internet will be hounding politicians in the future like no ones business, imo<BR/><BR/>The <B><I>irony</I></B> of course is the internet helped Obama get elected, now the internet will be watching/analyzing his every move, I digress.<BR/><BR/>take care, blessingsshilohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16490952508600134457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8009484025319372088.post-48528884348879747482008-11-20T15:14:00.000-05:002008-11-20T15:14:00.000-05:00Anonymous said... this is a gay site run by ath...<B><I>Anonymous said...<BR/><BR/> this is a gay site run by atheists who claim to be Catholics.<BR/>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</I></B><BR/>Thanx for sharing, hopefully you feel better now ...<BR/><BR/>take care, blessingsshilohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16490952508600134457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8009484025319372088.post-73622038014862050182008-11-20T14:53:00.000-05:002008-11-20T14:53:00.000-05:00Well, Shiloh, you now find yourself in the majorit...Well, Shiloh, you now find yourself in the majority that voted<BR/>for Obama. Are you going to pause<BR/>and reflect???Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8009484025319372088.post-52688920021323334792008-11-20T14:32:00.000-05:002008-11-20T14:32:00.000-05:00And Anon, you might want to look more closely into...And Anon, you might want to look more closely into what John Paul II wrote about varieties of socialism in his encyclical Laborem Exercens.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8009484025319372088.post-16082961359825466182008-11-20T14:30:00.000-05:002008-11-20T14:30:00.000-05:00Anon, what makes you sure you are not a cafeteria ...Anon, what makes you sure you are not a cafeteria Catholic?<BR/><BR/>Make sure you can answer that one, not for me, but to God someday.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com